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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1564</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm
u remember a little while ago
there was a short post
by this gal
about her project
and she got, in my opinion
unfairly tagged for self-canvassin
self-promotion .
somehow..
i don't begrudge you comments
but
isn't the position of contributer being abused
when used primarily to service one's own venture
sorry
just wanted to be honest here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm<br />
u remember a little while ago<br />
there was a short post<br />
by this gal<br />
about her project<br />
and she got, in my opinion<br />
unfairly tagged for self-canvassin<br />
self-promotion .<br />
somehow..<br />
i don't begrudge you comments<br />
but<br />
isn't the position of contributer being abused<br />
when used primarily to service one's own venture<br />
sorry<br />
just wanted to be honest here</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your shots are fine. They're not the kind of shots I'd ever take, but your shots are fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your shots are fine. They're not the kind of shots I'd ever take, but your shots are fine.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i clicked this topic in hopes that it might be something that would relate to me. it didn't, but that's okay because i'm going to ask a question that will:

how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?

i ask because i find that every single one of the comments that we've received have been positive, and most of them very generic; e.g. "great shots", "nice", "good colors", etc.

then there are the shots that don't receive any comments whatsoever. i don't know if it's because they are poor or because everyone else lost their connection to the internet.

of course, i also find that these are the kind of comments that i post on your sites. my reasoning is probably along the same lines as everyone else's: 1) i don't comment on shots i'm not really fond of for fear of hurting feelings/ ruffling feathers; and 2) my positive comments are general and generic because i don't like overanalyzing art, and i'm too lazy to go into great detail.

anyway, for future reference, should any of you ever view our humble site and feel the urge/need to leave some constructive criticism - feel free - we're both pretty thick skinned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i clicked this topic in hopes that it might be something that would relate to me. it didn't, but that's okay because i'm going to ask a question that will:</p>
<p>how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?</p>
<p>i ask because i find that every single one of the comments that we've received have been positive, and most of them very generic; e.g. "great shots", "nice", "good colors", etc.</p>
<p>then there are the shots that don't receive any comments whatsoever. i don't know if it's because they are poor or because everyone else lost their connection to the internet.</p>
<p>of course, i also find that these are the kind of comments that i post on your sites. my reasoning is probably along the same lines as everyone else's: 1) i don't comment on shots i'm not really fond of for fear of hurting feelings/ ruffling feathers; and 2) my positive comments are general and generic because i don't like overanalyzing art, and i'm too lazy to go into great detail.</p>
<p>anyway, for future reference, should any of you ever view our humble site and feel the urge/need to leave some constructive criticism - feel free - we're both pretty thick skinned.</p>
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		<title>By: btezra</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>btezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~Ian, I give an honest critique every time I comment, mostly on techs that I have picked up posting on another site where the critique is quite serious, but I never leave a  comment that is demonstrative or obscenely harmful, rather, things one could change and/or alter to do better on the next shot, and I have always stressed to the shooter than my comments are not to be taken as hurtful or malicious, and I have always got an email in return after commenting for the first time by the shooter thanking me for being critical in a + fashion.

Frank:
"One of the greatest attributes of this blog is the advice we can all give one another, so I thank you all in advance for your assistance!!"

*I included that because I was not grandstanding, rather I wanted to draw upon those who have expertise or experience with the subject matter I have taken a dip into recently, and since photoblogs.org is a fairly diverse pool of shooters who choose to shoot all kinds of subjects I thought someone out there could point me towards a resource or lend advice from their own backgrounds(s), I placed the post in the Photo Tips category so to act as a possible reference for others seeking the same answers or advice.
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If the post appears not worthy, please, Brandon, remove it, I do not want to appear anything less than inquisitive and wanting to draw from the experience of those shooters I am reaching out to, plus making it a forum for advice and ideas on the how toâ€™s and such of shooting macros/nature shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~Ian, I give an honest critique every time I comment, mostly on techs that I have picked up posting on another site where the critique is quite serious, but I never leave a  comment that is demonstrative or obscenely harmful, rather, things one could change and/or alter to do better on the next shot, and I have always stressed to the shooter than my comments are not to be taken as hurtful or malicious, and I have always got an email in return after commenting for the first time by the shooter thanking me for being critical in a + fashion.</p>
<p>Frank:<br />
"One of the greatest attributes of this blog is the advice we can all give one another, so I thank you all in advance for your assistance!!"</p>
<p>*I included that because I was not grandstanding, rather I wanted to draw upon those who have expertise or experience with the subject matter I have taken a dip into recently, and since photoblogs.org is a fairly diverse pool of shooters who choose to shoot all kinds of subjects I thought someone out there could point me towards a resource or lend advice from their own backgrounds(s), I placed the post in the Photo Tips category so to act as a possible reference for others seeking the same answers or advice.<br />
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If the post appears not worthy, please, Brandon, remove it, I do not want to appear anything less than inquisitive and wanting to draw from the experience of those shooters I am reaching out to, plus making it a forum for advice and ideas on the how toâ€™s and such of shooting macros/nature shots.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im with you, btezra. This post surely isn't adversiting (or if it is, every answer including a link to the author's site also is ;-) ). As a beginner, I also appreciate constructive comments that might improve my skills next time I'm about to tke a similar picture. Not that my ego wouldn't love a plain "awesome work!" from time to time, but that's not the point ;-) And now folks, please no diskussion about advertising - this man wants help with macros (though I really don't think he needs any *g*)

cheers,
matthias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im with you, btezra. This post surely isn't adversiting (or if it is, every answer including a link to the author's site also is <img src='http://blog.photoblogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). As a beginner, I also appreciate constructive comments that might improve my skills next time I'm about to tke a similar picture. Not that my ego wouldn't love a plain "awesome work!" from time to time, but that's not the point <img src='http://blog.photoblogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> And now folks, please no diskussion about advertising - this man wants help with macros (though I really don't think he needs any *g*)</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
matthias</p>
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		<title>By: djn1</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1569</link>
		<dc:creator>djn1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?"

Me, so that's one at least ;-) 

But I've found that unless you ask it doesn't happen. I include a reasonably lengthy summary of my images and often request some constructive critique, normally about some aspect of that particular shot (composition, colour, whatever), and when I do that I often get that sort of feedback.

Have a look at the comments for these two images (particularly the first one) and you'll see what I mean:

&lt;a href="http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406240652_clean.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406240652_clean.php&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406250724_clean.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406250724_clean.php&lt;/a&gt;

Generally though, I think it's much harder to leave constructive criticism on blogs that are only image based, or include a one-liner by way of description because, as Ian notes, there's always a risk that you might offend someone. So if you do want such comments, find a way to make that explicit on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?"</p>
<p>Me, so that's one at least <img src='http://blog.photoblogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I've found that unless you ask it doesn't happen. I include a reasonably lengthy summary of my images and often request some constructive critique, normally about some aspect of that particular shot (composition, colour, whatever), and when I do that I often get that sort of feedback.</p>
<p>Have a look at the comments for these two images (particularly the first one) and you'll see what I mean:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406240652_clean.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.chromasia.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406240652_clean.php</a><br />
<a href="http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406250724_clean.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.chromasia.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.chromasia.com/iblog/archives/0406250724_clean.php</a></p>
<p>Generally though, I think it's much harder to leave constructive criticism on blogs that are only image based, or include a one-liner by way of description because, as Ian notes, there's always a risk that you might offend someone. So if you do want such comments, find a way to make that explicit on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: pixpop</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator>pixpop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--&gt;"how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?"

I find the most useful comments are those in which someone says they like the work. These are useful, because they are encouraging and make me want to do more. 

I find the most interesting comments are those which examine the content of the work in some way, but these are exceedingly rare. 

I usually avoid leaving technical comments. People never seem to leave technical comments on my site either, though I've seen plenty elsewhere. They rearly seem useful to me. I might leave such a comment if the artist specifically asks for it. 

Just ask yourself: If you were at an amateur art show, would you go up and suggest to the artist that their painting would be better if the subject was a little more to the right, or if the sky was a less intense blue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-->"how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?"</p>
<p>I find the most useful comments are those in which someone says they like the work. These are useful, because they are encouraging and make me want to do more. </p>
<p>I find the most interesting comments are those which examine the content of the work in some way, but these are exceedingly rare. </p>
<p>I usually avoid leaving technical comments. People never seem to leave technical comments on my site either, though I've seen plenty elsewhere. They rearly seem useful to me. I might leave such a comment if the artist specifically asks for it. </p>
<p>Just ask yourself: If you were at an amateur art show, would you go up and suggest to the artist that their painting would be better if the subject was a little more to the right, or if the sky was a less intense blue?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, shamless self-promo ;).

I like Ian's topic rephrasing of the topic:

"how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?"

Answer:

Not me, I only get the "nice photo!" comments, but I am guilty of giving the same kind of comments. Truth is that I once got ripped for giving some minor crits to a friend(he chose to end the friendship over it) and since I've been reluctant to offer any critiques in the fear I will offend someone. It's too easy for someone to take a critique negetivly if they are insecure about their work. So I understand that when it boils down to it, sometimes all you can say is "nice photo!" Also after visiting 40+ sites you start to run out of stuff to say about good photos... which is another reason why I'm taking a break from commenting ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, shamless self-promo ;).</p>
<p>I like Ian's topic rephrasing of the topic:</p>
<p>"how many of you are getting useful critiques in the comments on your sites?"</p>
<p>Answer:</p>
<p>Not me, I only get the "nice photo!" comments, but I am guilty of giving the same kind of comments. Truth is that I once got ripped for giving some minor crits to a friend(he chose to end the friendship over it) and since I've been reluctant to offer any critiques in the fear I will offend someone. It's too easy for someone to take a critique negetivly if they are insecure about their work. So I understand that when it boils down to it, sometimes all you can say is "nice photo!" Also after visiting 40+ sites you start to run out of stuff to say about good photos... which is another reason why I'm taking a break from commenting ;).</p>
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		<title>By: btezra</title>
		<link>http://blog.photoblogs.org/2004/06/28/advice-and-constructive-critiques/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>btezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~Matt, did you miss the whole part, or I will say majority if not overwhelming majority of the post that asked for comments, advice or suggestions on my recent efforts to dig into new subject completely foreign to me, and I supplied a link to provide a reference point to what I was talking about subject &#038; content-wise?
I really don't need or seek out self-promotion here (and Brandon, if you feel as such was the case you are more than welcome to delete the post, as i stated before) the reason why I needed to post this was for someone, anyone, to step up to the plate and offer up experience as a guide, and it turned into a discussion about self-promotion and commenting (small&gt;which was cool after all to get those thoughts and reactions on commenting, a worthy topic for a new post IMHO), I am only disappointed someone did not comment, yet, on any pointers on macros shots of nature and wildlife...the purpose of an open forum is to cite examples that are factual to provide a basis for what you are asking and to seek out answers or advice to point you in the right direction~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~Matt, did you miss the whole part, or I will say majority if not overwhelming majority of the post that asked for comments, advice or suggestions on my recent efforts to dig into new subject completely foreign to me, and I supplied a link to provide a reference point to what I was talking about subject &#038; content-wise?<br />
I really don't need or seek out self-promotion here (and Brandon, if you feel as such was the case you are more than welcome to delete the post, as i stated before) the reason why I needed to post this was for someone, anyone, to step up to the plate and offer up experience as a guide, and it turned into a discussion about self-promotion and commenting (small>which was cool after all to get those thoughts and reactions on commenting, a worthy topic for a new post IMHO), I am only disappointed someone did not comment, yet, on any pointers on macros shots of nature and wildlife...the purpose of an open forum is to cite examples that are factual to provide a basis for what you are asking and to seek out answers or advice to point you in the right direction~</p>
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		<title>By: Davin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the thing is that unless a critique is requested it isn't really warranted for the most part.

I do like to get the occasionaly bit of technical information or comparison sharded through my site's comments even though I don't outright ask for them. but the "critiques" that I usually find uninteresting and in some cases annoying are those that focus on composition and colour too much.

I am happy if someone can help me take better photos by lending me some of their technical knowledge or tips that only experience can bring but for me critiques regarding my framing of subjects, choice of subjects, etc. are useless.

I don't 100% love these elements in every photo I post but I also don't think there is a gold standard for composing photos.

I also get a certain level of this  type of commentary from people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about but hope to come across as if they do.

sorry... rant over</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the thing is that unless a critique is requested it isn't really warranted for the most part.</p>
<p>I do like to get the occasionaly bit of technical information or comparison sharded through my site's comments even though I don't outright ask for them. but the "critiques" that I usually find uninteresting and in some cases annoying are those that focus on composition and colour too much.</p>
<p>I am happy if someone can help me take better photos by lending me some of their technical knowledge or tips that only experience can bring but for me critiques regarding my framing of subjects, choice of subjects, etc. are useless.</p>
<p>I don't 100% love these elements in every photo I post but I also don't think there is a gold standard for composing photos.</p>
<p>I also get a certain level of this  type of commentary from people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about but hope to come across as if they do.</p>
<p>sorry... rant over</p>
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