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The Perfect Online Photo Sharing Site

Wed, January 19th, 2005 by Thomas Hawk

This is an article that I wrote and published today at my blog, thomashawk.com.

Better Than Flickr, Better Than Picasa... it Just Doesn't Exist Yet, Photohawk

 

   

         

      
So
there were a lot of great writeups in the past few days about the photo
sharing sites, some coinciding with the upgrade release today by Picasa

John Battelle had the insightful piece Thoughts on Picasa and Google's Marketing Strategy.  Wired Magazine ran a nice comparison piece yesterday comparing the various photo sites out at present.

With
all of the recent attention given to Picasa, Flickr and other photo
sharing strategies, I thought the time was right to unveil, Photohawk,
the ultimate online photo resource.

Although Picasa and Flickr
have made good early entries into the online photo field, and Google
Image Search shows extraordinary promise, these sites still leave much
to be desired and the fictional Photohawk site takes image search to
the next level. So, what should the photo sites of today be doing to
truly capitalize on the immense upcoming opportunity in photo search,
sharing and storage?

1. Limits on bandwidth, storage, etc. as an
inducement to get people to upgrade to pay service might be an
interesting short term strategy but poor long term planning. The real
long term power and potential of the photo sharing experience is in
building the largest collection of desirable, sought after, viewed
images on the internet. To this end, the ideal photo site would offer
unlimited storage for all. The site would be supported by unobtrusive,
Google styled key word advertising. Upgrade packages would be sold and
offered allowing an individual to keep the advertising dollars
generated by clicks as an optional feature -- otherwise all ad revenue
would go to Photohawk as the trade off for providing you the unlimited
storage.

2. The problem with Google Image Search is in the
quality of the searches. Many searches are somewhat meaningless because
there are limited tools to refine search. Type in "Ween" and you get
15,200 images. Some of these images are obviously better than others.
Refine the search down to only "large' images and you still get 673
images. Now Ween the band is no Britney Spears but if I'm a Ween fan,
and I am, what I need is some kind of ranking system. This ranking
system should have three components: rank by photo views, rank by user
votes, rank by Photohawk Editors. The idea here is that there are
initially three different ways to judge the subjectivity of a photo.

A
photo view is perhaps the easiest to capture. User votes would be along
the lines of a "hot or not" concept where individuals could, as part of
an online photo community, rate and rank photos on a 1 to 10 scale
basis. The most difficult part would be the rank by Photohawk Editors.
Here the company would need to hire individuals who would basically
spend their entire day voting on photos in the archive. These would be
subjective ratings based on technical aspects of a photo (is it over or
under exposed, etc.) as well as content aspects.

At present Brandon Stone is running one of the hottest potential sites on the internet over at Photoblogs.org.
What Brandon has done is to incorporate a photoblog ratings system
which allows users the opportunity to select "favorite" photobloggers.
These bloggers end up on a ranking list and the self perpetuating
system keeps the top bloggers at the top. To counteract the self
perpetuating trend of the top bloggers receiving all of the traffic
simply because they are the top bloggers, Brandon also has another
ranking system for newcomers which quickly moves hot new talent up the
photoblogging chain.

The top photobloggers at photoblogs.org
truly do provide stunning work. It's very artistic much of the time and
technically vastly superior to what one might get from Google Image
Search.

In addition to user ratings on each and every individual
photo, Photohawk would hire editors, a la a Looksmart search model to
further refine the photo search process scoring photos individually and
allowing for searches that prioritize the very best images of what an
individual is looking for.

If I do a search for "Golden Gate
Bridge" on Google Image search I get 22,500 images of mediocrity. If I
do an image search or "Golden Gate Bridge" at Photohawk I may or may
not get 22,500 images but I will be able to see the most stunning
beautiful amazing images as selected by both the general public and
Photohawk editors which will be a far more satisfying experience.

My friend Tom Conrad over at Savage Beast is doing something similar with music by hiring music professionals to categorize, rank and rate music in different ways.

3.
There are an amazing amount of public domain artistic images available
but not easily found on the internet. Part of Photohawk would involve
teams of scanners and surfers that built large online libraries of
public domain artwork. There is no reason that someone should not be
able to do an image search for "Van Gogh" and get every single painting
that was ever painted by Van Gogh in perfect high res clarity.

This
service will open up art to the general public in ways never
experienced before and drive an incredible amount of traffic to the
advertising supported site. There are millions of public domain
paintings that at present are not cataloged in high res on the
internet. Recently I reviewed a plug in for the Microsoft Media Center
called Gallery Player.
This player attempts, for a fee, to offer artwork for your fancy
plasma. The service is very limited offering something like 30
paintings for sale at a buck a piece. Photohawk will have thousands of
images for free download with a simple "right click" "save as"
maneuver.

4. Tags. Tags are suddenly very hot and for good
reason. Navigating a too large library of images demands them. In
addition to general public tagging, Photohawk images would also be
supplemented by professional Photohawk taggers (editors) to further
refine the cataloging of online images. Photohawk would also develop an
MVP Award to hand out to volunteers based on their tagging and rating
work. Top prizes would be given out to the top MVPs (cheap labor).

5.
Geographic Tags. Alongside regular tagging would be geographic tagging
based on location. Travel is a huge business -- a huge, huge, online
business. The top ranked photos would be categorized by location even
down to the street address level. These photos would then be
incorporated into a mapping system that I could use for travel.

The World City Photo Archive
currently offers up about 10,500 photos of cities all over the world.
I'm glad to have some of my photos included in their library. Much of
the photos on this site though are accurate but not spectacular.

If
I knew that I were going to Prague, for instance, and could then pull
up the equivalent (through aggregation) of an amazing coffee photo
travel book of Prague and even click through to find the locations of
the sites for my upcoming visit, this would be a valuable resource. As
always, next to the brilliant full sized photos would be a small text
based advertising box.

Alternatively I could click on a section
of a map and top ranked photos would pop up providing a visual version
for the wi-fi savvy tourist.

6. Incorporating large image
libraries. One of the problems with all of the current photo sharing
sites is that they depend on uploading images which is a painfully slow
process. Photohawk would create a free service for "power users"
whereby they could send external hard drives in the mail and have all
of their images hosted at the site. They could then further synch the
online site and their hard drive to update their library going forward.

Although I can send 50 photos to Flickr, I actually have about
55,000 .jpg images at present. It would take months if not years to
upload all of these 55,000 photos to Flicker. And yet they could be
transferred via external hard drive in a day. Photohawk would recognize
that adding 55,000 images at once to the Photohawk library would be
worth the labor and expense of this kind of custom work for a power
user.

7. Photoblogging is hot. Creating the top photoblog
templates is not as easy. The format on the hottest photoblogs seem to
revolve around a single image on a page. These are custom templates
developed by users mostly in Movable Type and other more sophisticated
blogging packages. Photohawk would offer a number of templates that
individuals could use to build their photoblogs. This would encourage
the top photobloggers to use the site and upload their photos which
could be crawled, ranked and searched.

8. Although images could
be removed by the owner at will, all images would be hosted on image
search servers. This would alleviate the problem at present with Google
Image Search of so many of the photo results being bad or old links.
The trade off here, however, would be that Photohawk would have to be
diligent and responsive to removing copyrighted material when requested.

The
initial success of Photohawk would not be measured in subscription or
even advertising dollars. Rather, the success of the project would be
measured by the size of the library and the subjective quality of
search. These two factors would drive the traffic and make the site the
premier destination on the internet for image searches.

   

16 Responses to “The Perfect Online Photo Sharing Site”

  1. IZ Reloaded Says:

    Sounds great. Maybe someone would wana make this a reality. If so, do give me a buzz if u are seeking for venture capital.

  2. Ian Smith Says:

    Have you looked at Alamy [ http://www.alamy.com ]. It actually embodies quite a number of the features you are talking about, although it's specifically a commercial stock photo library and certainly isn't any kind of a photoblogging tool.

    Interesting post!

  3. rion Says:

    i'm actually bothered by some of the language in this... "perfect," "ultimate," "premier," and trying to "capitalize" on what's "hot"... multiple times in this, photoblogs are treated much like stock photography... more about quantity, and "building the largest collection of desirable, sought after, viewed images on the internet." this is all the business-speak that doesn't usually find it's way to this photoblogs.org.

    for me, it's not about judging the subjectivity, deciding what's hot or not, or having professional taggers assign my photos for better search results. nor would supporting the online travel industry thru cross-pollenating ads be interesting to me. where it could be a very nice addition to other services for people to take part in if they choose to, I don't know if these descriptors really capturing the essence of why this particular community, or the others mentioned, photoblogs.

    for me, one reason that photo sharing is worthwhile is because of the personal publishing aspect, and the access and connection to others whose editorial and photographic view on the world that i enjoy and want to see more of... like a magazine that's constantly new.

    flickr is fun because people are so tightly knit that it makes it easy to see what my friends and connections have experienced and published. and then i get to write notes and comments and actually connect back with them about it.

    the real success in photoblogs.org doesn't seem to be about promoting "hot new talent," but about being a venue for discussion, and for getting together in the real world... just take a look at the recent chicago, SF and london announcements.

    kudos on the self-promotion and all the thought put into it. but if this is all up for discussion, i just believe that it's not about the idea that "photoblogging is hot," but more about the personal, the connections, the communities, and the fun.

  4. ian Says:

    what rion said, but i will take some of iz reloaded's venture capital… for this… um… thing… that i'm building.

    and anyone else who wants to invest in this… um… thing… is welcome. no amount of money too large. angel investors, drop me an email.

  5. heather Says:

    well said rion.

  6. Thomas Hawk Says:

    Much of the great art of the world eventually finds it's way to commerce. Much does not. Some great art only finds's commerce after the artist is dead.

    Although it's important to keep in mind the sense of community -- and being aware that commerce can often times pollute community even driving the best artists away -- I think that a service like this could provide great photo artists an outlet (advertising sponsored) to earn additional compensation for their important work.

    Photoblogs are anything but stock photography. A stock photography model would fail. How ever the ideal online photo service was built it would need to embrace the spirit of the photoblogging community.

    Although Google as a publicly traded company is all about commerce on the one hand, they seem to have retained the dignity of their community by restricting advertising to a way that is respectful and acceptable to their community. This would be the goal of the new photo service model that embraced photoblogging. Yes there would be a lot of "marketing hype" but the end result would be the promtion of artists to a larger potential audience.

    The site would offer password protection for those who wanted to preserve the privacy of their images for select viewers and friends.

  7. miklos Says:

    I wonder how many photobloggers will use this.. I know I won't.

    Take something that people love, are passionate about and try to make money off of it.. Way to go.

  8. sxott Says:

    http://www.pbase.com/

  9. Warren Prasek Says:

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    Pbase is dead. It's become bloated shadow of its former self, left treading water, trying to charge members for services which are provided FREE and done better elsewhere, and the interface is dire. Shame, really. Mind you if you want free smut and softcore pr0n then look no further than the venerable photo.net...

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    http://www.wprasek.com
    photography - web design - interactive media
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  10. jim wallace Says:

    Hello

    please have a look PiXPO 1.5 and if anyone contacts me I can send them PiXPO 2.0 beta with the ability to share unlimited photos of anysize in public or in private with watermarking. It is new and very cool.

    spread the word as we don't have a big PR firm

    jim wallace

    jwallace@h2st.com
    http://www.pixpo.com

  11. Jan Says:

    You can find more services at http://www.photosharingonline.net/sites.html

  12. Mandy Says:

    Would be good to see this with creative commons tags.

  13. John De Regnaucourt Says:

    Please check out http://myotherdrive.com. This is a free file and photo sharing site that gives each user 2GB free right off the bat.

    The site is new, and growing. It may soon be featured in up coming technology magazine articles. Check out the recent PR on MyOtherDrive: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb332234.htm

    The site has many benefits:
    - Makes it easy to share files (photos, music, movies) with family and friends.
    - Can be used as a permanent archive so you will not lose important files.

    Coming soon (next two weeks)
    - More sophisticated user management. It will permit you to create groups, add people (email addresses) to those groups, and allow you to give view, add, delete, and modify permissions to the group at any directory level in your virtual on-line drive.

    Send comments and suggestions to suggest@byterocket.com.

    ByteRocket is the small startup company that has built this new service. ByteRocket has other sites in the works to be released later this year.

  14. Scott Rocher Says:

    A very good photo sharing site already exists -> The Black Stripe. It was built by two guys (Stewart King and Myself) on nights and weekend in Los Angeles, California. The address is http://www.theblackstripe.com.

    It's a collaborative photo-sharing site based on real-life social networks.

    We also recently launched new travel-based features so you can tell your friends when/where you're going on trips and link photos to trips, etc. So to summarize:

    The Black Stripe is a collaborative photo-sharing site based on real-life social networks. It's the best way to share photos with your friends.

    You can:

    * Upload unlimited photos (for free!)
    * Connect and share photos with friends
    * Tag/organize photos
    * Share photos with non-users
    * Geo-tag photos and create Google photo maps
    * Create profiles and travel plans

  15. Kelly Black Says:

    As a photographer I found http://www.myotherdrive.com to be pretty cool. It allows me to have password protected folders so I can share my customers photos just with them or with groups of people.

    It also allows me to have a "public" group which I can share with everyone. Handy for my making my portfolio public to customers.

    It lacks some advanced features for managing my folders, but that's my only real complaint at this time.

  16. John De Regnaucourt Says:

    If you haven't done so recently, please re-visit MyOtherDrive.com.

    Our site is now offering 5GB of free on-line storage. In addition, the missing 'folder management' mentioned by Kelly Black (above post) is fully complete. You can rename, delete, change dates, move, and download folders now.

    The site is especially useful for photographers as they can share all their photos with their clients without giving access to the original image to the client, yet the client can see 800x600 images.

    In addition, since it supports creating Groups and sharing files to those groups, photographers can add customers to groups and give out access to customers, where a given customer could only see their photos, and not someone elses.

    Any file type can be uploaded. You can upload videos too!

    Look for more advanced features to continue rolling out - automatic synchronization between a folder on your PC and the online drive at MyOtherDrive.com.

    Ability to tag files with keywords and search for files.

    The official URL for the site is http://www.myotherdrive.com.

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